Reasoning with leftists is not impossible
My leftist lesbian neighbors' grandaughter and grandson came down from Seattle for their grandmamas' wiccan/pagan "winter solstice celebration."
I got an invite to the solstice party by way of the grandson, who at 10, still loves, adores, and wants to spend every minute with me. He is always asking me to dinner. I have been to 2 crab feeds in his honor. I am very grateful that he likes me so much, because his grandmothers are both wonderful cooks. I try not to impose on their hospitality too much, but it can be hard to resist.
The ladies are not in any way vegetarians and cooked up a delicious, great bloody roast of beef. We had hot fudge sundaes with peppermint ice cream for dessert. Yum!
The neighbors got to talking about their daughter and how she had struggled to get through nursing school and that evil Welfare does not allow for daycare or support you for going to school, yada yada.
So I said, "She did things in the wrong order. She should have gone to school first and then had the kids. That way neither the State, nor you, would have had to pay for the care of her and her children. She could have had a high paying job all along and saved the taxpayers, and you, thousands of dollars. I know a lot of Chinese-Americans and I don't know a single one who became pregnant before they finished their education. Not one. A lot of White, Mexican and Black and Native-Americans have forgotten, or disregard the rules and steps it takes to be successful. Delaying childbearing is one of them. You can't have it all ways. Something has to give. If you want to do it bass akwards, it will be that much harder."
"I see what you are saying," my neighbor admitted.